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On Being a Photographer

Today i’ve just read the good topic is about How to be good Photographer! so i just want to share to your guys may be u can use it too.Many thanks for MR.Lexusman and www.bwthai.organd u can read it in Thai at

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ผู้เขียน Lexusman   

excerpted from On Being a Photographer by David Hurn / Magnum in conversation

with Bill Jay

Bill Jay: When we were discussing some definitions you remarked that

photography’s core characteristic

 was to show what something looked like. I think this is an important point

because many young photographers seem fascinated with the medium yet

have no idea what to photograph.

David Hurn: That’s true. The fundamental issue is one of emphasis: you

are not a photographer because you are interested in photography.

BJ: Explain what you mean.

DH: Many people are interested in photography in some nebulous

way; they might be interested in the seemingly glamorous lives

of top fashion or war photographers; or in the acquisition and admiration

 of beautiful, functional machines, the cameras; or in the arcane ritual

of the darkroom processes; or in the persona which they could adopt if

 only they took pictures like . . . whoever.

 But these interests, no matter how personally enjoyable they might be,

 never lead to the person

 becoming a photographer. The reason is that photography is only a tool,

 a vehicle, for expressing

or transmitting a passion in something else. It is not the end result.

An analogy would be to buy a car

 for its status appeal, for the idea that it will improve your sex-life, for the

 smell of the new upholstery, for the fascination with its beautiful engineering,

and so on. But it is useless unless it actually takes you somewhere.

BJ: The destination of photography is to reveal what something or

somebody looked like, under a particular set of conditions, at

a particular moment in time, and to transmit the result to others.

DH: Right. However, a word of caution should be inserted here.

Although what you just said is true,

it does not imply merely bland records of anything. Some pictures

 are obviously more interesting,more beautiful, more inspiring than others,

 even of the same subject matter. More than that, they are indelibly

 stamped with the unique style, for want of a better word, of the

 individuals who made them. So what transforms these simple records

into pictures of lasting merit?

BJ: How would you answer?

DH: It comes down to the choice of subject. The photographer

must have intense curiosity, not just a passing visual interest

in the theme of the pictures. This curiosity leads to intense

examination, reading, talking, research and many, many failed attempts

 over a long period of time.

BJ: I’m intrigued by this idea: it seems to me self-evident that

in order to photograph with any degree of continuous passion,

 you must have a fascination for the subject, otherwise you cannot

sustain an interest in the act of creation for a long enough period

of time in which to make any insightful or original statement about it.

 And I had to learn this lesson from you. After you had

 told me in 1967 that my photographs were “boring,” as I related in

 the opening pages, I could stop the struggle to be a

photographer-like-other-photographers. It was such a relief. I began

 shooting anew, with a simple concentration on the subjects which

most interested me, with no thought of success, prestige, or reputation,

 but with a joyous liberation – which continues to this day.

DH: The reason for a young photographer’s confusion is that

most teachers, classes, workshops, books, whatever, imply that how

 the picture is made, what techniques were employed, why it

 looks different and artistic, is more important than the subject

 matter. Yet the photographer is,

 primarily, a subject-selector. Much as it might offend the artistically

 inclined, the history of photography is primarily the history of the

subject matter. So, a photographer’s first decision

 is what to photograph. Your curiosity, fascination and enthusiasm

 for this subject can be communicated to others through the

 pictures you take of it.

BJ: This reminds me . . . Ralph Steiner, the late, great photographer,

 would occasionally write me funny, provocative letter after he had

read one of my published articles. He would end with

 the words: “But you still have not told me in which direction to

 point the camera – and this is what

 matters.” And he is right. So let’s get down to brass tacks,

as the British would say, and give

 specific advice to young photographers on the choice of subject matter.

DH: Garden gnomes!

Only kidding. My guess is that giving specific advice on what

to photograph would not be appreciated even if it was possible -

and it’s not, because how could I know what excites

the curiosity of others?

BJ: True, but we can talk about the basic principles of subject selection.

DH: The first thing to do is carry a notebook and during quiet

times or as the thought occurs to you, compile a list of anything

 that really interests you. In other words, write a list of subjects

 which fascinate you without regard to photography. What could

inflame your passion and

curiosity over a long period of time? At that stage, make the list

without any regard for

photography. Be as specific as possible. After you have exhausted

the list, you begin to cut it down by asking yourself these questions:

Is it visual? You can safely eliminate such fascinating (to you)

 topics as existential philosophy or the Old Testament or the

 existence of intelligent life on other planets.

Is it practical? You can cut out topics which are difficult or impossible

 to photograph at your conversation on a regular basis. For example,

 if I were a young photographer of limited

 means living in, say, Denver, I would have to eliminate the topic

 of Japanese pagodas,at least as far as photography is concerned.

 Or I would cut out an interest in famous

film stars – the subject must be not only practical but

continually accessible.

Is it a subject about which I know enough? Eliminate those

subjects about which you are ignorant, at least until you have

conducted a good deal of research into the topic. For

 example, you are not contributing anything to the issue of

urban poverty by wandering back streets and snatching pictures

of derelicts in doorways. That’s exploitation, not exploration.

Is it interesting to others? This is a tricky one, but it is worth

asking yourself: if you have several remaining topics all of which

are equally fascinating, which one is interesting

 to others? This is tricky only in that it ignores the issue of your

 intended audience, which might be a small, specialized one, and the

 issue of pandering to public appeal.

BJ: I would like to interject a note on this last point. I know,

 as a professional lecturer,that it is difficult to transmit

information (in say, my own passion for topographical

photographers of the wet-plate period) to a bored, disinterested

audience. I must engage  and hold the audience’s attention

 before the content can flow. On the other hand, I am not

 a professional entertainer. So there is a very fine line between

pandering to popular appeal and a respectful consideration

 of viewers’/listeners’ attention-span or interest in the content.

 It is what I call a respect for the bum-factor – just how much is

 the audience aware of the seats on which it is sitting?

 You are talking about a similar fine line between your interest and

 the interest of the viewer.

DH: Yes, if all of the final selections interest you equally,

 it does not seem like a compromise

 to select the topic which others are more interested in viewing.

 The state of being human dictates that some things are more

 interesting to look at than others.But we could discuss this

gray area ad nauseum and thereby forget the essential point: the

subject matter you select must: a) fire your enthusiasm and

 curiosity for at least the length of time it will take to produce

a meaningful body of work; b) lend itself to images, as opposed

to words and; c) remain continuously accessible so that you can

 return time and again to the same topic whenever you wish

or have time.

BJ: I want to add a few remarks about your exhortation: be as

specific as possible. It is invariably true that a list of interests will

 include topics which are far too broad to be useful.

 In my seminars on research and writing I have to spend an

 inordinate amount of time on the student’s choice of topics for

precisely this reason. Every time a student proposes a

topic for research it is a book-length theme not an article. The

difficulty is to encourage a small, specific do-able project.

He/she will propose “Victorian portraiture;” I suggest Lewis

Carroll’s images of Alice. He/she will propose “The Photo

Secession;” I suggest the members’ use of a glass ball as a motif.

He/she will propose “Latin American photography;” I suggest

 the digital imagery of Pedro Meyer. These are not specific

cases but merely examples of the need to cut down a vast,

 general topic into manageable segments.

DH: It is the same when selecting topics for a visual essay.

When I say “be as specific as possible,” I mean: take on

a project which is containable and can be completed within

a reasonable period of time. Also, the more precise

 the topic, the easier it is to conduct research.

 Now let me give some general examples. If your list contains

an interest such as “education”,make it “my life as a student

at so-and-so campus;” “flowers” becomes “plants that relate

 to architecture;” “portraits” is reduced to “Cleveland sculptors

in their studios.” Anyway,

the point is taken . . .

BJ: For many young photographers this list-making might

seem an overly pragmatic, too coldly clinical approach to subject

matter. I’m sure many will be thinking that it destroys

the pleasure of the visual adventure.

DH: Maybe. But the fact remains that it works, and just wandering

around looking for pictures, hoping that something will pop up and

 announce itself, does not work. Sorry about that, young photographers,

 if it offends your fantasy of how a photographer behaves!

All I can tell young people is that for forty years I have talked

 to many of the best photographers in the world, in various areas

of the medium, and there is a common denominator among all their

 approaches to the taking of pictures: they are enthusiastic

and knowledgeable about their subject matter and they plan

 ahead of the actual shooting.

BJ: We will return to this idea of planning ahead a little later.

 But I can foresee another objection to this issue by an aspiring young

 photographer. That is, all the talk about

 emphasizing subject matter indicates we are only advocating a strict,

straight recording of faces and places. It is important that we state,

categorically, that we are talking about

 starting points, for all photographers. In fact the idea is not restrictive

at all; it offers more scope for a continuing evolution of complexity

and, hence, a greater latitude for personal interpretation.

DH: That’s true. The narrower and more clearly defined the

subject matter at the start, the more quickly identified is the

“direction in which to aim the camera,” as Steiner said,

and the more pictures are taken. The more the shooting,

the greater the enthusiasm and knowledge for the subject.

The greater your knowledge, the more you want to do it justice

and this increases the scope and depth of the pictures.

So the process feeds on itself.

BJ: There is an analogy which I like to use: When I landscaped

my garden I needed to plant trees. I could have obtained an

 instant tree by collecting an assortment of

 trunks, branches, twigs and leaves and assembling the bits.

 But the tree would be dead; it would never grow into something else.

 So the starting point was a sapling which, by

careful nurturing, and a good deal of patience, will grow into a tree,

 often into a form which could not have been predicted.

 It seems to me that it is the same with a body of work,

 of any merit, in photography. The greatest scope for deep-rooted,

 organic growth begins with the simplest of premises: the direct visual

encounter with a selected subject.

DH: As you know, I find it useful to answer problematic questions

 by turning the issue upside-down, such as the issue of honesty,

that can be solved to my satisfaction by

 knowing what is dishonest when taking pictures.

It is the same here. What is the

alternative to an emphasis on subject matter?

It is a frantic grasping for instant gratification which all too often

 leads to works displaying visual pyrotechnics but of dubious

 depth and resonance. Young photographers become pressured

 into a search for different-ness, a quest for newness which

usually means an unusual technique: your

 dead-tree syndrome.

DH: There is another problem here. If the images are not

 rooted in “the thing itself,” to use Edward Weston’s term,

 then the photographer has not learned anything about

 the real world. He/she can only justify the images by

reference to self: “This is how I felt.

” Before long, this leads to incredibly convoluted psychoanalysis

 in a futile effort to justify the most banal, superficial work.

BJ: How I shudder at the interminable, self-indulgent,

 often incomprehensible photo-critiques I have been obliged to attend.

 My response to all those words about

self is that the photographers are inviting judgment on

 themselves as people, not photographers, and that’s foolish.

 It seems an extraordinary presumption that every

 young photographer has a depth of character which demands

 revelation! And if the self is shallow, narrow, superficial and

inconsequential, then, they are admitting, so

 will be the resultant photographs.

DH: And there are no standards. What I mean is there can

 never be any objective benchmarks against which to measure

 the success or failure of these images. If a person says:

“This is how I feel,” you cannot respond:

“No, you do not feel that way.”

DH: Mind you, I have no objection to anyone using

 photography for personal therapy. That seems a valid use of the

medium. I guess what we are saying is that these images

will have an audience of only one, the person who made them.

Rarely will they have anyresonance or value to a larger audience.

BJ: Most photographers would do the world a favor by diminishing,

 not augmenting, the role of self and, as much as possible,

 emphasizing subject alone. I’m not being facetious.

 Such photographers would be members of an august group

- the majority of photographers throughout the medium’s history,

 most of whom remain unknown as personalities.

However, the emphasis today is on a cult of personality a

nd individualism, and I presume that the majority of young

photographers who encounter these words are anxious to assert self,

 as well as subject. Do you have any words of encouragement?

DH: In today’s art-photography environment any one who

 asserts the prime importance of subject matter will automatically

produce distinctive, different images! Now I am being facetious.

The fact is that all photographs, even of the most prosaic

records of things, are subjective. They are made as a result of

various decisions arising out of the mind of an individual.

 So inevitably that self will intrude on the picture-making process.

It would be impossible to keep it out. But it is not the primary

aim of the images. A unique style, which is what we are talking about,

 is the by-product of visual exploration, not its goal. Personal vision

comes only from not aiming at it. Over a long

 period of time and through many, many images, the

self re-emerges with even greater strength than if it were the

end-product. Ironically, by starting with self, it is missed;

 ignore it, and it becomes evident.

BJ: Like walking back to my cabin in the forest by starlight:

you can only see the direction, the track, by not looking directly at it.

 Or back to my tree analogy: the living

 entity, the visible thing we call a tree, is only sustained by the

root system which is not only out of sight but must be kept

underground for the sake of the growth and to prevent

the tree blowing down during the next wind of change.

I know the analogy is being stretched to breaking point,

but I was struggling to link the idea of a clear, intense examination of

“the thing itself” with the hidden self, the photographer’s life, which

sustains it.

DH: Bad example, but I know what you mean. I think the answer

is very simple – and is intimately connected with the choice of

subject matter. No two people will make the same list,

 or edit it down in the same way, or for the same reasons.

Therefore, by the simple act of choosing a topic to explore

photographically, you are asserting self. Then, the more this topic

is a concentration of your whole focus, the more you become a

mini-expert in it, the more chance there is that it will spread and

deepen into an intrinsic part of your total consciousness.

BJ: I once watched a television interview with a great violinist.

The interviewer asked him to describe a typical day. The musician said

 he read scores over breakfast, then composed music in the morning,

thought about music during a walk, practiced the violin

 in the afternoon, played in a concert in the evening,

 met with musician friends to play together, then went to bed

dreaming of the violin. The interviewer was aghast: it seemed

 such a narrow life. “Yes,” said the violinist, “initially my life was

 becoming narrower and narrower in focus. But then something

extraordinary happened. It is as though

 my music passed through a tiny hole in an hour-glass and it has

 since become broader and broader. Now my music is making

connections with every aspect of life.”
DH: In a real sense photographers are photographers

one hundred percent of the time. Everything connects.

On my way to see you I read on the plane four essays

by Michel de Montaigne and constantly saw links between

his ideas and photography – even through the essays were written

in the late 1500s. I always find it fascinating

to see a movie, for example, with photographers whom I respect.

 Inevitably, their later conversations reveal all sorts of useful

observations that they have made, sucked out of the plot, dialogue,

 acting, camera angles, pacing, whatever, which

can be applied to their own work. Every event becomes grist to

the photographic mill. And scores of learning events are occurring daily.

 All this new insight is fed back to the subject of the pictures,

so it is no wonder that who a photographer is becomes

revealed through what he/she photographs.

BJ: The ultimate aim is an oscillation between self and

subject with the images being a physical manifestation of this

supercharged interface between the spirit and the world.

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